difference between 'Backup' and DB maint. plan backup?

hi.
ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000 box.
instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
thanks.Hi,
Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
and Transaction log backup.
Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
Thanks
Hari
SQL Server MVP
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
> hi.
> ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
> box.
> instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
> under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
> is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
> full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
> thanks.|||hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
plans. true?
"Hari Prasad" wrote:
> Hi,
> Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
> exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
> and Transaction log backup.
> Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
> But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
> databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
> Thanks
> Hari
> SQL Server MVP
>
>
> "mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
> > hi.
> >
> > ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
> > box.
> > instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
> > under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
> >
> > is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
> > full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
> >
> > thanks.
>
>|||Btw, I've written an article about this:
http://www.karaszi.com/SQLServer/info_restore_no_truncate.asp
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
>> exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
>> and Transaction log backup.
>> Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
>> But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
>> databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
>> Thanks
>> Hari
>> SQL Server MVP
>>
>>
>> "mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
>> > hi.
>> >
>> > ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
>> > box.
>> > instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
>> > under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
>> >
>> > is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
>> > full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
>> >
>> > thanks.
>>|||Maint plan will not add the NO_TRUNCATE option for the backup log command. This option is what
empties the log and when you uncheck in the backup dialog, this option is added. Terrible GUI design
in the backup dialog (not maint wiz) IMO, and this option has a very special purpose and is only
used for disaster scenarios.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5E78EC73-4EBA-4DAD-836E-3EBAD9D3BFA8@.microsoft.com...
> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
>> exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
>> and Transaction log backup.
>> Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
>> But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
>> databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
>> Thanks
>> Hari
>> SQL Server MVP
>>
>>
>> "mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
>> > hi.
>> >
>> > ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
>> > box.
>> > instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
>> > under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
>> >
>> > is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
>> > full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
>> >
>> > thanks.
>>

difference between 'Backup' and DB maint. plan backup?

hi.
ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000 box.
instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
thanks.Hi,
Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
and Transaction log backup.
Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
Thanks
Hari
SQL Server MVP
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
> hi.
> ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
> box.
> instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
> under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
> is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
> full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
> thanks.|||hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
plans. true?
"Hari Prasad" wrote:

> Hi,
> Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing
is
> exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
> and Transaction log backup.
> Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
> But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
> databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
> Thanks
> Hari
> SQL Server MVP
>
>
> "mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
>
>|||Maint plan will not add the NO_TRUNCATE option for the backup log command. T
his option is what
empties the log and when you uncheck in the backup dialog, this option is ad
ded. Terrible GUI design
in the backup dialog (not maint wiz) IMO, and this option has a very special
purpose and is only
used for disaster scenarios.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5E78EC73-4EBA-4DAD-836E-3EBAD9D3BFA8@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:
>|||Btw, I've written an article about this:
http://www.karaszi.com/SQLServer/in...no_truncate.asp
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5E78EC73-4EBA-4DAD-836E-3EBAD9D3BFA8@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:
>

difference between 'Backup' and DB maint. plan backup?

hi.
ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000 box.
instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
thanks.
Hi,
Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
and Transaction log backup.
Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
Thanks
Hari
SQL Server MVP
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
> hi.
> ive not setup any backups under 'Management' -> 'Backup' on my SQL2000
> box.
> instead ive used the 'Complete Backup' and ' Transaction Log Backup' tab
> under Database Maintenance Plans -> 'NonSystemDatabaseMaintenance'.
> is setting up a backup using a maintenance plan the same as setting up a
> full backup under the 'Backup' tab?
> thanks.
|||hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
plans. true?
"Hari Prasad" wrote:

> Hi,
> Backup tab is just creating the Logical Backup device. What you are doing is
> exacltly the right procedure to take Full database
> and Transaction log backup.
> Looks like you are performing backup only for non system database backup,
> But i recomend you to do the backup for all the system
> databases as well. This will help you in the eve of crash.
> Thanks
> Hari
> SQL Server MVP
>
>
> "mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C67C8B52-07C6-40D0-A722-2BCE97582372@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||Maint plan will not add the NO_TRUNCATE option for the backup log command. This option is what
empties the log and when you uncheck in the backup dialog, this option is added. Terrible GUI design
in the backup dialog (not maint wiz) IMO, and this option has a very special purpose and is only
used for disaster scenarios.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5E78EC73-4EBA-4DAD-836E-3EBAD9D3BFA8@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:
|||Btw, I've written an article about this:
http://www.karaszi.com/SQLServer/inf...o_truncate.asp
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"mb" <mb@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5E78EC73-4EBA-4DAD-836E-3EBAD9D3BFA8@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> hmm, yes, but i dont believe i have the option of 'remove inactive entries
> from transaction log' when creating transaction logs from the maintenance
> plans. true?
> "Hari Prasad" wrote:

Did not clear up transaction log after backup?

I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
"Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go down.
How can I clear the transaction log?
Hi
BACKUP LOG file and the DBCC SHRINKFILE command ( for more details please
refer to BOL)
"joeau" <joeau@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B0DF5822-6FCE-411B-8603-BD0F64E13DAD@.microsoft.com...
> I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
> "Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
> completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go
down.
> How can I clear the transaction log?

Did not clear up transaction log after backup?

I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
"Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go down
.
How can I clear the transaction log?Hi
BACKUP LOG file and the DBCC SHRINKFILE command ( for more details please
refer to BOL)
"joeau" <joeau@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B0DF5822-6FCE-411B-8603-BD0F64E13DAD@.microsoft.com...
> I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
> "Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
> completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go
down.
> How can I clear the transaction log?

Did not clear up transaction log after backup?

I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
"Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go down.
How can I clear the transaction log?Hi
BACKUP LOG file and the DBCC SHRINKFILE command ( for more details please
refer to BOL)
"joeau" <joeau@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B0DF5822-6FCE-411B-8603-BD0F64E13DAD@.microsoft.com...
> I performed a complete database backup using the backup wizard and checked
> "Remove inactive entries from transaction log". After the backup was
> completed, I discovered that the size of the transaction log did not go
down.
> How can I clear the transaction log?

Developer Edition having issues connecting to server via TCP/IP

Don't know if there is a simple solution for this one or not. When
running SQL server on a machine with 2000 loaded and the complete SQL
package I don't have any issues. Now I'm trying to login using my XP
machine with MSSQL developer edition, and I can not connect to my
remote servers via TCP/IP. It can see the server, and it establishes a
connection, but I can't access my files, and the connection seems
incredibly slow. I have checked my firewall, and its fine. I'm just
wondering why my 2000 system can access it, but my XP can't. Any
ideas?Chris (chris.wisherd@.kenblanchard.com) writes:
> Don't know if there is a simple solution for this one or not. When
> running SQL server on a machine with 2000 loaded and the complete SQL
> package I don't have any issues. Now I'm trying to login using my XP
> machine with MSSQL developer edition, and I can not connect to my
> remote servers via TCP/IP. It can see the server, and it establishes a
> connection, but I can't access my files, and the connection seems
> incredibly slow. I have checked my firewall, and its fine. I'm just
> wondering why my 2000 system can access it, but my XP can't. Any
> ideas?

I'm confused, can't you connect at all, or is the communication just slow?

On which machine does the SQL Server you are connecting to run? Is the XP
machine in the same domain as the SQL Server machine?

What files are you unable to access? You usually don't use SQL Server
to access files.

--
Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, esquel@.sommarskog.se

Books Online for SQL Server 2005 at
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr...oads/books.mspx
Books Online for SQL Server 2000 at
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/prodin...ions/books.mspx|||Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Chris (chris.wisherd@.kenblanchard.com) writes:
> > Don't know if there is a simple solution for this one or not. When
> > running SQL server on a machine with 2000 loaded and the complete SQL
> > package I don't have any issues. Now I'm trying to login using my XP
> > machine with MSSQL developer edition, and I can not connect to my
> > remote servers via TCP/IP. It can see the server, and it establishes a
> > connection, but I can't access my files, and the connection seems
> > incredibly slow. I have checked my firewall, and its fine. I'm just
> > wondering why my 2000 system can access it, but my XP can't. Any
> > ideas?
> I'm confused, can't you connect at all, or is the communication just slow?
> On which machine does the SQL Server you are connecting to run? Is the XP
> machine in the same domain as the SQL Server machine?
> What files are you unable to access? You usually don't use SQL Server
> to access files.
>
> --
> Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, esquel@.sommarskog.se
> Books Online for SQL Server 2005 at
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr...oads/books.mspx
> Books Online for SQL Server 2000 at
> http://www.microsoft.com/sql/prodin...ions/books.mspx

I can connect to the server, but it is slow. But I can't access
information such as the databases. It comes up with no items. I also
can't backup any of the data to a local machine. There wasn't any
issue until we loaded the 2003 Developer Edition on our XP machines.
I've loaded both service packs 3 and 4 hoping that would solve the
problem. I've checked TCP/IP setting, and the firewall.

The server I'm trying to access is a remote server running Windows
2000, with service pack 4, and it is in a different domain.|||Chris (chris.wisherd@.kenblanchard.com) writes:
> I can connect to the server, but it is slow. But I can't access
> information such as the databases. It comes up with no items. I also
> can't backup any of the data to a local machine. There wasn't any
> issue until we loaded the 2003 Developer Edition on our XP machines.
> I've loaded both service packs 3 and 4 hoping that would solve the
> problem. I've checked TCP/IP setting, and the firewall.
> The server I'm trying to access is a remote server running Windows
> 2000, with service pack 4, and it is in a different domain.

I realise that I should have asked what you are connecting with and
with which credentials.

From what you say, it sounds as it you connect with Enterprise Manager
with integrated security, but your Windows login has not been added to
BUILTIN\Administrators and on top of all databases are set to autoclose.
When databases are set to autoclose, and you connect as a non-priv user,
EM has to access every database to see if you are permitted, and this
can take forever.

--
Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, esquel@.sommarskog.se

Books Online for SQL Server 2005 at
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr...oads/books.mspx
Books Online for SQL Server 2000 at
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/prodin...ions/books.mspx