Diagrams

I know that the BI studio can build a nice flow document that is associated with the package. Is there an easy way to build a series fo documents that can be shared with other users without having them go into Visual Studio?

Mark E. JohnsonI have an upcoming presentation and was wondering if there were any methods/features that could display all the SSIS packages, tasks, dataflows, relationships, and such in a functional diagram? Similar to what is seen in a ERD diagram. If not, are there any functions or tools that can help collage these SSIS displays (outside of screen shots)?|||We are building a tool that will traverse IS packages, SQL Server Databases, and AS to get metadata reports. It should be available around the time we ship.
It's called the "SQL Documenter"...
Thanks,
K|||

Has a timeframe been defined yet?

Thanks Kirk.

|||

Yes, around the time that Yukon ships.
K

|||

KirkHaselden wrote:

We are building a tool that will traverse IS packages, SQL Server Databases, and AS to get metadata reports. It should be available around the time we ship.
It's called the "SQL Documenter"...
Thanks,
K

Now that SQL Server 2005 has been released is there any news on this tool? I have been looking around for it but with no luck.

-Sune|||

The documenter is a "sample" application, not a released product, so there is no firm release schedule for it.

It's not quite ready yet. It should be quite soon, but I don't have a better estimate just now.

Donald

|||Thanks Donald. I'm looking forward.

If you need an external beta tester just let me know :o)

- Sune|||Has there been any new progress made on releasing this tool yet?|||

Did you find anything about your request?

I am looking for a SSIS Documenter too!

|||The DTS documenter was there for a while:
http://www.softrus.org/dts/

And I got a note that SSIS Documenter is coming from these guys as well.|||

Any updates on this?

|||

I found the following free tool.

http://www.bidocumenter.com/Public/Default.aspx

Diagram, sorting and series groups

Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous month. I
have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month and -1 for
previous month).
I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month is just
for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray, btw).
For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under sorting:
=Fields!period_offset.Value.
Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value (where
=Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
(=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
Thanks
TiborWhere I say "Diagram", I'm referring to the chart control, btw.
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uC169yjmEHA.3396@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous month.
I
> have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month and -1
for
> previous month).
> I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month is
just
> for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray, btw).
> For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under sorting:
> =Fields!period_offset.Value.
> Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value (where
> =Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
> (=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
> Thanks
> Tibor
>|||It seems like the order for the rows are determined from the order returned
in the SQL Query. When I add an ORDER BY to the query so that for each
region, that current month is returned before last month, the diagram is
sorted over the current month column.
I can change ASC/DESC in my SQL ORDER BY and the sort in the diagram changes
accordingly...
Is above assumption correct?
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:u%23te0gkmEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Where I say "Diagram", I'm referring to the chart control, btw.
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
in
> message news:uC169yjmEHA.3396@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous
month.
> I
> > have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month and -1
> for
> > previous month).
> >
> > I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month is
> just
> > for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray, btw).
> >
> > For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under sorting:
> > =Fields!period_offset.Value.
> >
> > Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value (where
> > =Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
> > (=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tibor
> >
> >
>|||Unless you define an explicit sort expression on the chart series grouping
or the chart or the dataset, the data will be processed and grouped in RS in
the order they come from the data provider.
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uwo5nkkmEHA.1652@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> It seems like the order for the rows are determined from the order
returned
> in the SQL Query. When I add an ORDER BY to the query so that for each
> region, that current month is returned before last month, the diagram is
> sorted over the current month column.
> I can change ASC/DESC in my SQL ORDER BY and the sort in the diagram
changes
> accordingly...
> Is above assumption correct?
>
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
in
> message news:u%23te0gkmEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Where I say "Diagram", I'm referring to the chart control, btw.
> >
> > "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
> in
> > message news:uC169yjmEHA.3396@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous
> month.
> > I
> > > have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month
and -1
> > for
> > > previous month).
> > >
> > > I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month is
> > just
> > > for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray, btw).
> > >
> > > For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under
sorting:
> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value.
> > >
> > > Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value (where
> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
> > > (=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tibor
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>|||Thanks Robert. This is in line with what I have experienced.
In this particular situation, I just couldn't get RS to sort the way I wanted...
But I did manage when combining sorting on Group/Series and in the SQL query. I'll probably stick
with what I have until I have the time to learn enough about sorting and the relation between
sorting in grouping vs. series.
I found the documentation lacking information rather severely in this area, I should add. And it
just wasn't intuitive enough for me. :-)
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
"Robert Bruckner [MSFT]" <robruc@.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23u3BxyzmEHA.2140@.TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Unless you define an explicit sort expression on the chart series grouping
> or the chart or the dataset, the data will be processed and grouped in RS in
> the order they come from the data provider.
> --
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
> message news:uwo5nkkmEHA.1652@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> It seems like the order for the rows are determined from the order
> returned
>> in the SQL Query. When I add an ORDER BY to the query so that for each
>> region, that current month is returned before last month, the diagram is
>> sorted over the current month column.
>> I can change ASC/DESC in my SQL ORDER BY and the sort in the diagram
> changes
>> accordingly...
>> Is above assumption correct?
>>
>> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
> in
>> message news:u%23te0gkmEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > Where I say "Diagram", I'm referring to the chart control, btw.
>> >
>> > "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
>> in
>> > message news:uC169yjmEHA.3396@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > > Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous
>> month.
>> > I
>> > > have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month
> and -1
>> > for
>> > > previous month).
>> > >
>> > > I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month is
>> > just
>> > > for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray, btw).
>> > >
>> > > For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under
> sorting:
>> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value.
>> > >
>> > > Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value (where
>> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
>> > > (=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > > Tibor
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>|||Regarding BOL:
Yes, our UE/documentation team is working on improving the entire charting
documentation. Updates should be available on MSDN in the next few months.
Regarding sorting:
Grouping/sorting specified in the commandtext is done on the data source's
database server. Grouping/sorting/filtering defined in the RDL is done in
the RS processing engine internally.
If you specify a sort expression on group expressions in the report, the
processing engine will apply sorting. I.e. if you don't specify any explicit
collation settings on the RDL dataset, we will - in case of a live execution
against a SQL 2000 data source - determine the collation settings from the
data source. Otherwise, we will do sorting based on the culture settings of
the report.
--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:e3fKkA1mEHA.2140@.TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Robert. This is in line with what I have experienced.
> In this particular situation, I just couldn't get RS to sort the way I
wanted...
> But I did manage when combining sorting on Group/Series and in the SQL
query. I'll probably stick
> with what I have until I have the time to learn enough about sorting and
the relation between
> sorting in grouping vs. series.
> I found the documentation lacking information rather severely in this
area, I should add. And it
> just wasn't intuitive enough for me. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
>
> "Robert Bruckner [MSFT]" <robruc@.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23u3BxyzmEHA.2140@.TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Unless you define an explicit sort expression on the chart series
grouping
> > or the chart or the dataset, the data will be processed and grouped in
RS in
> > the order they come from the data provider.
> >
> > --
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> >
> >
> > "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
in
> > message news:uwo5nkkmEHA.1652@.TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> It seems like the order for the rows are determined from the order
> > returned
> >> in the SQL Query. When I add an ORDER BY to the query so that for each
> >> region, that current month is returned before last month, the diagram
is
> >> sorted over the current month column.
> >>
> >> I can change ASC/DESC in my SQL ORDER BY and the sort in the diagram
> > changes
> >> accordingly...
> >>
> >> Is above assumption correct?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com>
wrote
> > in
> >> message news:u%23te0gkmEHA.644@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > Where I say "Diagram", I'm referring to the chart control, btw.
> >> >
> >> > "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com>
wrote
> >> in
> >> > message news:uC169yjmEHA.3396@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > > Say you have two values for each region: current month and previous
> >> month.
> >> > I
> >> > > have a column in datase called period_offset (0 for current month
> > and -1
> >> > for
> >> > > previous month).
> >> > >
> >> > > I want to sort the diagram over current month, where previous month
is
> >> > just
> >> > > for informational purposes (previous month is also colored gray,
btw).
> >> > >
> >> > > For series group, I have =Fields!period_offset.Value, and under
> > sorting:
> >> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value.
> >> > >
> >> > > Currently, the diagram seem to sort by the previous month value
(where
> >> > > =Fields!period_offset.Value = -1). How can I sort by current month
> >> > > (=Fields!period_offset.Value = 0) ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> > > Tibor
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Diagram Tool Causes Strange Write Table Behavior

Using SQL Server 2000...
I'm creating a series of database diagrams for a database that has
~ 200 tables. The tables are segmented by module, so instead of
having one massive diagram I am creating a diagram per module.
All I'm doing is creating a new diagram, selecting all the tables
that belong to a module, and letting the software create the
diagram. I do make some format/layout changes to make the
diagram easier to read, but at no time am I making any structural
changes to the table.
For three of the four modules this approach has worked perfectly.
However, there is one set of tables that the tool thinks has been
altered, and it insists on writing the tables back to the database
before it will save it. The first time this happened I just said "No"
to any writing/saving and started over from scratch (I assumed I
had accidentally made a change to a table). The next time I added
all the module's tables, I simply moved one table two or three
inches to the left, and then tried to save the daigram (having 100%
confidence there were no accidental structural changes). Once
again, it wanted to write a few of the tables back to the database
before saving.
I have no idea why it thinks any structural changes occured to the
referenced tables. I certainly didn't make any, and on the rare
occasion I have accidentally made a change, I was able to
successfully start over by not writing/saving the change and
closing/opening the diagram.
Can anyone let me know what possible changes could have been
applied to a table(s) outside the diagram tool, that could affect the
diagram tool and make it think it needs to write the tables to the
database before saving?
ThanksHi Garth,
I don't know the answer to your question because I don't like, or use the
SQL Server diagramming tool - for the exact reason you're experiencing ...
changes to the diagram make changes to the database.
While I used to use ER/win (which is a fantastic tool), I've shifted to
Visio. Now, without the developer edition (I think that's the one) you can't
do a forward engineer, but you can reverse engineer any DB you can connect
to (ODBC, OLE DB, etc), it provides at least 80% of what matters in ER/win
(or Rational Rose) and you have the advantage that anyone with Visio can
read the file.
I admit it's going to be hard to learn it (as there is virtually no one on
the boards who know how), but I find it far, far superior to what is
available in SQL Server and more convenient than anything else.
Thanks,
Jay
"Garth Wells" <nobody@.nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:eQq7Mx1FIHA.4712@.TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Using SQL Server 2000...
> I'm creating a series of database diagrams for a database that has
> ~ 200 tables. The tables are segmented by module, so instead of
> having one massive diagram I am creating a diagram per module.
> All I'm doing is creating a new diagram, selecting all the tables
> that belong to a module, and letting the software create the
> diagram. I do make some format/layout changes to make the
> diagram easier to read, but at no time am I making any structural
> changes to the table.
> For three of the four modules this approach has worked perfectly.
> However, there is one set of tables that the tool thinks has been
> altered, and it insists on writing the tables back to the database
> before it will save it. The first time this happened I just said "No"
> to any writing/saving and started over from scratch (I assumed I
> had accidentally made a change to a table). The next time I added
> all the module's tables, I simply moved one table two or three
> inches to the left, and then tried to save the daigram (having 100%
> confidence there were no accidental structural changes). Once
> again, it wanted to write a few of the tables back to the database
> before saving.
> I have no idea why it thinks any structural changes occured to the
> referenced tables. I certainly didn't make any, and on the rare
> occasion I have accidentally made a change, I was able to
> successfully start over by not writing/saving the change and
> closing/opening the diagram.
> Can anyone let me know what possible changes could have been
> applied to a table(s) outside the diagram tool, that could affect the
> diagram tool and make it think it needs to write the tables to the
> database before saving?
> Thanks
>
>